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	<title>Comments on: Evolution or revolution for Enterprise 2.0 vendors?</title>
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		<title>By: sandrar</title>
		<link>http://nickpoint.co.uk/2008/05/27/evolution-or-revolution-for-enterprise-20-vendors/#comment-624</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post... nice! I love your blog.  :) Cheers! Sandra. R.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post&#8230; nice! I love your blog.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Cheers! Sandra. R.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Barker</title>
		<link>http://nickpoint.co.uk/2008/05/27/evolution-or-revolution-for-enterprise-20-vendors/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Barker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tend to agree Evolution but time will tell as every past empire has had its day and upon historical reflection it’s often becomes a rich revolutionary story. An excellent point on marketing strategies for the small firm, you guys (Atlassian) have been doing pretty well at that so far. 

Do you think Sam Lawrence is worried or happy with the attention such stock statements make? What is that old saying &#039;any press is good press&#039;. What the worst that could happen?

Oppps, thanks for pointing out the missing source for the graphs and yes, it was Forrester. Plus thanks for the compliments, your blogs looks somewhat like mine but funnier ;) Loved the Laurel &amp; hardy image and the mag cover stories :)

Catch you either at Boston if there or in San Fran later in the year, but I maybe in touch in the meantime for some stuff for our new website.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree Evolution but time will tell as every past empire has had its day and upon historical reflection it’s often becomes a rich revolutionary story. An excellent point on marketing strategies for the small firm, you guys (Atlassian) have been doing pretty well at that so far. </p>
<p>Do you think Sam Lawrence is worried or happy with the attention such stock statements make? What is that old saying &#8216;any press is good press&#8217;. What the worst that could happen?</p>
<p>Oppps, thanks for pointing out the missing source for the graphs and yes, it was Forrester. Plus thanks for the compliments, your blogs looks somewhat like mine but funnier <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Loved the Laurel &amp; hardy image and the mag cover stories <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Catch you either at Boston if there or in San Fran later in the year, but I maybe in touch in the meantime for some stuff for our new website.</p>
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		<title>By: radiowalker</title>
		<link>http://nickpoint.co.uk/2008/05/27/evolution-or-revolution-for-enterprise-20-vendors/#comment-34</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Evolution, in my humble opinion. &quot;New Software Model&quot; is a bold statement from some companies, but if you use traditional sales and hide your pricing, how are you really different from the Big Guys? MSFT has already proven they can flatten large sections of the Earth with Sharepoint, so groovy features will not beat them. In  fact, beating them [or using the Kodak analogy which is rather far fetched] is a very very risky proposition. 

Those look like Forrester slides but I can&#039;t see a source? Even so, I buy the Forrester theory that much of this gets commoditized, so there had better be more to your software model than a shiny new 2.0 product. 

I like your analogies, and the question being asked. Revolutions like the PC [or Kodak], however, are really stretching the hoopla... and again, in my humble opinion. :-) -- jeffrey www.radiowalker.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evolution, in my humble opinion. &#8220;New Software Model&#8221; is a bold statement from some companies, but if you use traditional sales and hide your pricing, how are you really different from the Big Guys? MSFT has already proven they can flatten large sections of the Earth with Sharepoint, so groovy features will not beat them. In  fact, beating them [or using the Kodak analogy which is rather far fetched] is a very very risky proposition. </p>
<p>Those look like Forrester slides but I can&#8217;t see a source? Even so, I buy the Forrester theory that much of this gets commoditized, so there had better be more to your software model than a shiny new 2.0 product. </p>
<p>I like your analogies, and the question being asked. Revolutions like the PC [or Kodak], however, are really stretching the hoopla&#8230; and again, in my humble opinion. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8212; jeffrey <a href="http://www.radiowalker.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.radiowalker.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nick Barker</title>
		<link>http://nickpoint.co.uk/2008/05/27/evolution-or-revolution-for-enterprise-20-vendors/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Barker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Janet,

Thanks for the comment. It is a dilemma, there can be no doubt. What was the saying, &#039;You never got fired for buying IBM&#039;, so now Enterprise 2.0 purchases can be pushed through well know channels and integrated much more easily but at what price? As you say grassroots purchases have been fuelling Enterprise 2.0 growth with Confluence/Clearspace type products into the creativity hearts of many big firms.

The trouble is firms now have information and data on these under the table systems which is being relied upon. Of course, it is really the people where the information and knowledge is to be found and nurtured and not the IT systems.  Much of this situation is a result of the well documented business user dissatisfaction with IT investments, which has been brewing for years. As you say we are seeing the meeting in the middle between business users and management controls. I feel a little sorry for IT as they really are &#039;stuck&#039; in the firing line. One way or another change is inevitable.

I’ll add you to my reader to keep in touch

Nick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Janet,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. It is a dilemma, there can be no doubt. What was the saying, &#8216;You never got fired for buying IBM&#8217;, so now Enterprise 2.0 purchases can be pushed through well know channels and integrated much more easily but at what price? As you say grassroots purchases have been fuelling Enterprise 2.0 growth with Confluence/Clearspace type products into the creativity hearts of many big firms.</p>
<p>The trouble is firms now have information and data on these under the table systems which is being relied upon. Of course, it is really the people where the information and knowledge is to be found and nurtured and not the IT systems.  Much of this situation is a result of the well documented business user dissatisfaction with IT investments, which has been brewing for years. As you say we are seeing the meeting in the middle between business users and management controls. I feel a little sorry for IT as they really are &#8216;stuck&#8217; in the firing line. One way or another change is inevitable.</p>
<p>I’ll add you to my reader to keep in touch</p>
<p>Nick</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janet Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Nick,

I agree that it&#039;s going to be a fascinating thing to see this stage in the technology development process unfold.  The good news I see from the enterprise players (IBM, et. al.) entering the market is that - in spite of their shortcomings and blunders - they quickly legitimize markets from an IT perspective, which is where we&#039;ll see the benefits most quickly.  

At the same time, the &quot;suite&quot; perspective (funny you made the example of the ultimate &quot;frankensuite&quot;) is old-think.  And many enterprises are &quot;holding out&quot; for suites as they are looking to IBM, Microsoft and other traditional enterprise players to provide them.

The end-user is left to their own devices, meanwhile, and is bringing in their own social software solutions (you can get free 5-user + server licenses from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jivesoftware.com/products/clearspace/evaluation/register&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jive,&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.attensa.com/products/server/getit.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Attensa, &lt;/a&gt;et. all) instead of waiting for IT to go out for RFP, test, create a deployment plan and roll out.

It&#039;s a delicate dance, and the IT team is right smack dab in the middle, trying old moves to new music.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nick,</p>
<p>I agree that it&#8217;s going to be a fascinating thing to see this stage in the technology development process unfold.  The good news I see from the enterprise players (IBM, et. al.) entering the market is that &#8211; in spite of their shortcomings and blunders &#8211; they quickly legitimize markets from an IT perspective, which is where we&#8217;ll see the benefits most quickly.  </p>
<p>At the same time, the &#8220;suite&#8221; perspective (funny you made the example of the ultimate &#8220;frankensuite&#8221;) is old-think.  And many enterprises are &#8220;holding out&#8221; for suites as they are looking to IBM, Microsoft and other traditional enterprise players to provide them.</p>
<p>The end-user is left to their own devices, meanwhile, and is bringing in their own social software solutions (you can get free 5-user + server licenses from <a href="http://www.jivesoftware.com/products/clearspace/evaluation/register" rel="nofollow">Jive,</a> <a href="http://www.attensa.com/products/server/getit.php" rel="nofollow">Attensa, </a>et. all) instead of waiting for IT to go out for RFP, test, create a deployment plan and roll out.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a delicate dance, and the IT team is right smack dab in the middle, trying old moves to new music.</p>
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